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A Warning about False Teachers

2012-04-09

“You will know them by their fruit”, Jesus told us. And it’s rotten.

On occasion I have emailed various Bible teachers over the years, to ask them to clarify something or challenge them with scripture. So far, every single one of them has reacted with hostility, as if it is a sin to be questioned or disagreed with. The most recent, and final, incident was with the owner of the site Christ Connection.

He had an intriguing theory about prophecy--- that is, until I tried to ask him how the everlasting covenant with Abraham that Jesus “confirmed” could be the same as the 7-year one in Daniel 9:27. Since the Abrahamic covenant was everlasting it could not be limited to one ’week’, yet this verse specifies that “the prince that shall come” will confirm a covenant of exactly that duration. His entire theory hinges on that point: if the covenant of Dan. 9:27 is made for seven years, it cannot be the Abrahamic covenant, and thus the “prince” who confirms the “covenant” in that prophecy is NOT Jesus and NOT the Abrahamic covenant.

Now it would have been fine for us to just part ways here and just disagree, but instead he had to lash out and attack me just for asking questions. I was polite throughout the short email exchange, but he started name-calling. Finally he sent me the quoted text below (edited for brevity), and quickly made it so I could not respond by email.

Hate to break it to a moron like you, but YOUR OPINION won’t CHANGE HIS WORD ONE BIT... If He had made A COVENANT FOR ONLY ONE WEEK, NITWIT, HOW COULD HE CONFIRM SOMETHING THAT DIDN’T EVEN EXIST UNTIL HE MADE IT?...

Can’t help it if YOU’RE STUPID, sweetheart. Here are your own STUPID WORDS... Can’t help it if your pea-sized brain doesn’t understand... You’re just A CONFUSED NITWIT. THAT’S ALL... NO, IMBECILE, THE 70TH week is the DURATION (end) OF the 70 weeks...

You were OBNOXIOUS AND DEFIANT ABOUT IT.... Play dumb all you want, but you’re neither fooling Jesu or me.

Bottom line: I’m not wasting ANOTHER SECOND ON A LYING, DISHONEST, MORONiC FOOL LIKE YOU.

Get out of my face, loser!!!

And much of it was in huge, colored type. He was hardly polite, and seems to be projecting his own faults on me. His citation of what he deemed so awful from me was “I see no way around this conflict. It is the weakest point in your theory, which without this discrepancy would have seriously challenged my view. If you can find a wayto solve the problem of a covenant that is both everlasting and ends after the 70th week, I will be most interested in hearing it.”

If that constitutes going over the line, then as I tried to tell him, God will judge between us.

Anyway, it is Biblical to warn about people like this who pass themselves off as teachers of the Word. I’m very happy that it is God who will do all the judging since everybody here accuses everyone else of being the one in the wrong. Pots and kettles is all that’s left of what was supposed to be one Body. Jesus must be weeping.

5 Comments

Muff Potter

Astonishing that the Bible can cause such passions to arise and meaness to germinate.  Too bad we can’t just home in on what unites us as humans.  We bleed the same blood, laugh the same laughs and cry the same tears.  Let those be the reference points for understanding Scripture, not some blood thirsty bronze age deity who bears little difference from Chemosh & Molech.

Marg

Wow!  I can’t decide which word is more insulting "moron" or "sweetheart".  I hope this person doesn’t dent your spirit.  <3

jonathanrobinson

wow indeed.  Mind you I always take such irrational hostility as a sign that i’m right!  I once got called a "bozo" by the pastor of the biggest church in the city i was in during one of his sermons, after I had challenged him the week before.  i nearly got a t-shirt made up to celebrate!

SaberTruth

@Marg, ain’t that the truth! But don’t worry, I felt an uncharacteristic (for me) peace through the whole thing. Don’t know what the purpose of it might have been, but I’m sure there must be one. @jon, good ideas!

SaberTruth

I want to assure that the "false teacher" charge is NOT against all who hold to the "pre-wrath" view, but is strictly based upon this individual’s bitter and angry spirit. That said, I’d like to zero in on the question I still have about this view. First, the scripture:

25 Know and understand this:  From the issuing of the decree  to restore and rebuild Jerusalem  until Messiah the Prince  will be seven weeks and 62 weeks. It will be rebuilt with a plaza and a moat,  but in difficult times.  26 After those 62 weeks  the Messiah will be cut off  and will have nothing.  The people of the coming prince  will destroy the city and the sanctuary.  The end will come with a flood,  and until the end there will be war;  desolations are decreed.  27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week  he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering.  And the abomination of desolation  will be on a wing of the temple  until the decreed destruction  is poured out on the desolator.”
Nobody disputes the total number of years, or that Jesus came as prophesied. But pre-wrath ignores some vital points: -- It does not specify that the end of the 62 is when Jesus was formally anointed; some say it is the date of his birth, others the day of his death (example, about halfway down the page). Everybody says their calculations are irrefutable, of course, but the point here is that the exact end of the 62 is disputable. And the reason that matters is because pre-wrath insists that Jesus’ 3.5 yr. ministry was the first half of the final week; it is vital to their view. -- The NEXT EVENT after the Messiah is "cut off" is the destruction of the city and sanctuary (Jerusalem and the Temple), which happened in 70AD. -- AFTER THAT come "war and desolations". -- AFTER THAT comes the "he" who confirms a covenant -- This covenant has a specific and limited duration of seven years; it is NOT "everlasting". Jesus could not have confirmed the Abrahamic covenant for only seven years. Had it said that he confirmed it "during" one week or "at the start of" one week or "in the last week" the pre-wrath view might have a point, but it does not. To do something FOR one week means that it lasts one week, period. -- Whoever confirms the covenant is connected to "the abomination", which could never be Jesus. So this is what I find as the pivotal weak point of the pre-wrath view. And since many of them cite also the Jewish feasts, they need to deal with the 7-year wedding feast; they can’t keep some symbolism and reject others without at least some valid reason for the exceptions.